Harald Malmgren interview 2025-04-22
Bottom line:
- Harald Malmgren, a presidential advisor to four U.S. presidents, directly handled UFO debris from the 1962 Bluegill Triple Prime nuclear test and received briefings on otherworldly technologies from CIA Deputy Director Richard Bissell.
- The U.S. military discovered they could bait UFOs with nuclear tests and potentially destabilize them using electromagnetic pulses, leading to the first confirmed UFO shootdown in 1962.
- UFO secrecy has been managed through atomic energy channels since the 1940s, with classification levels higher than nuclear weapons themselves.
- Malmgren suggests JFK's assassination was primarily motivated by his intention to share UFO information with the Soviet Union as part of a peace initiative.
- A transnational network including the Knights of Malta, elements of the CIA, and organized crime has allegedly managed UFO secrecy for decades.
Video summary:
Harold Malmgren: Life & Career
- Born 1935 during the Great Depression to Swedish immigrant parents; identified as a prodigy at age 14 by MIT President Carl Compton while helping his father paint houses.
- Corresponded with the Atomic Energy Commission as a teenager, receiving classified documents about nuclear physics and genetic effects of atomic weapons.
- Became Robert McNamara's liaison to the Joint Chiefs at age 27 during the Cuban Missile Crisis, where he successfully talked down General Curtis LeMay from nuclear strikes.
- Served as presidential advisor to JFK, LBJ, Nixon, and Ford; later advised multiple Japanese prime ministers and European heads of state.
- Maintained back-channel communications with Soviet/Russian leadership including Putin; recognized by KGB due to his famous chess champion uncle of the same name.
The Bluegill Triple Prime Test & UFO Shootdown (1962)
- During Operation Dominic nuclear tests in Marshall Islands, a UFO "tagalong" appeared following an incoming missile during the Bluegill Triple Prime test.
- The test successfully used X-ray directed energy to down both the missile and the UFO, which tumbled into the ocean and was recovered by the Navy.
- Malmgren was denied access to UFO debris despite having top Q clearances; told to visit Los Alamos where Lawrence Gise showed him recovered materials.
- Two weeks after Malmgren's briefing, JFK, LBJ, and senior staff rushed to Los Alamos—the only time a sitting president visited the facility.
- Malmgren later revealed the shootdown concept came from a surviving extraterrestrial being from the 1947 Roswell crash.
Richard Bissell's Briefings on Otherworldly Technologies
- Bissell, CIA Deputy Director and founder of Area 51, initiated Friday afternoon meetings with Malmgren to brief him on UFOs and global intelligence operations.
- Confirmed the 1933 Magenta, Italy UFO crash retrieval, corroborating David Grusch's 2023 testimony about pre-Roswell recoveries.
- Revealed Vatican involvement through Pope Pius XII, who back-channeled information about the Italian craft to the Allies during WWII.
- Explained UFOs were attracted to technological development sites, not just nuclear facilities—"the tip of the spear" of human advancement.
- Told Malmgren about foreign intelligence revealing a collaboration between Nikola Tesla and Thomas Townsend Brown on antigravity propulsion.
JFK, UFOs, and the Assassination Connection
- Malmgren states JFK "fully knew all about UFOs" before becoming president, briefed extensively by Secretary of Defense James Forrestal.
- JFK wanted to establish joint U.S.-Soviet cooperation on the UFO issue as a path to peace, communicating this to Khrushchev during the Cuban Missile Crisis.
- Soviet Ambassador Dobrynin told Malmgren that UFOs were "something that could unify our two countries" but was "dividing your country."
- Malmgren believes UFOs were "probably the number one issue" in JFK's assassination, citing his plans to share UFO knowledge openly with Russia.
- References a 2005 FOIA'd letter from JFK to CIA Director John McCone requesting all UFO data to coordinate with Russians and prevent accidental war.
The Secret Networks Managing UFO Secrecy
- Naval Intelligence identified as the most secretive agency, predating CIA and maintaining autonomous control over UFO information.
- Knights of Malta members deeply embedded in UFO story: James Jesus Angleton, his father Hugh, Allen Dulles, Wild Bill Donovan, Philip Corso, and modern JSOC leadership.
- Italian government confirmed to Malmgren a "triumvirate" of the Vatican, elected government, and Sicilian mafia working together on sensitive matters.
- Department of Energy now oversees all national labs conducting advanced research, where "our most advanced science" occurs rather than in universities.
- Malmgren tracked from childhood by what he calls "majestic" and other "guardians," suggesting a deliberate identification and cultivation process for those with relevant capabilities.
Nuclear-UFO Connection & Global Implications
- UFOs consistently appear at nuclear testing sites, weapons facilities, and advanced technology development locations worldwide.
- EMPs from nuclear explosions can disrupt UFO navigation systems that likely rely on Earth's magnetosphere for quantum sensing.
- Current UAP activity over nuclear facilities globally suggests they may be "stewards of the Earth" concerned about nuclear proliferation.
- China and Russia may be advancing faster on UAP research due to lack of Western "Cartesian" separation between scientific and mystical phenomena.
- Malmgren's daughter Pippa warns of "catastrophic disclosure" risk if China announces UAP findings first, shifting global scientific prestige eastward.
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